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| Muhammad Mahdi |
Posted on 17-01-2009 10:14
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The fly below was a small 5-6mm long fly. Found in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.  
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| katerina dvorakova |
Posted on 17-01-2009 10:34
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It is not a fly, it is Hymenoptera, probably Ichneumonidae. Katka |
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| Muhammad Mahdi |
Posted on 17-01-2009 14:45
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thanks. Which one is the male and which the female? PS  orry admins, I was not aware this was not a diptera and I don't know how to move this to the other forum on insects.
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| pierred |
Posted on 17-01-2009 15:24
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Hello, An Ophioninae ? Happy to see the copulation with the female putting its ovipositor to the side. Edited by pierred on 17-01-2009 15:24 Pierre Duhem |
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| Muhammad Mahdi |
Posted on 17-01-2009 19:32
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Sub family Ophioninae? Thanks In the copulation picture, is the one on the right a female and the one to the left a male? Muhammad ____________________ www.micro2macro.net |
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| pierred |
Posted on 17-01-2009 21:44
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Hello, To be honest, I don't know. But maybe somebody will chime in and tell us the truth. Pierre Duhem |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 17-01-2009 22:16
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the one on the right is the female. That's the one with the Ovipositor in the other photo's.
Edited by Roger Thomason on 17-01-2009 22:35 |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 17-01-2009 22:41
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Not Ophioninae for me! Ovipôsitor is too much long! Edited by cthirion on 17-01-2009 22:55 cthirion |
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| Muhammad Mahdi |
Posted on 18-01-2009 08:34
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Thanks Roger. cthirion, what sub-family or genus would you suggest? Muhammad ____________________ www.micro2macro.net |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 18-01-2009 08:45
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On that you will be very lucky to get an answer. Camille did have a possible posted, but I think she's had a change of mind. Difficult from photo's, but if anyone can, she can. How many Brownie Points is that worth ?  |
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| komarik |
Posted on 18-01-2009 14:10
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I think - Cremastinae. |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 18-01-2009 16:10
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possible!
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| Muhammad Mahdi |
Posted on 18-01-2009 16:24
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from the http://www.forum.hymis.de/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1482&p=5049#p5049, two users there too said Cremastinae. So I guess its Cremastinae, right? Camille f you read this, what do you think? Muhammad ____________________ www.micro2macro.net |
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| pierred |
Posted on 18-01-2009 17:31
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Roger, rogerthomason wrote: the one on the right is the female. That's the one with the Ovipositor in the other photo's. Are you sure? On the first two pictures, the end of the abdomen is rather conical, with the ovipositor aligned. In the copulation picture, the right one has a rather square abdomen. But I can be wrong (it often happens to me). Pierre Duhem |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 18-01-2009 17:55
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I think the shape of the abdomen tip has altered because the ovipositor is upright. Certainly the thoracic colour of the right-hand wasp matches that of the female in the upper pictures.
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 18-01-2009 19:03
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Pierre, did you ever see Cremastinae? For Anomalinae and Ophioninae, the length of the onvipositor should not exceed the height of the abdomen, ! The shape of the petiole does not stick either! to see characteristic of Cremastinae here: http://bitkikorumamuzesi.netfirms.com/ichneumonidae_anahtar.htm#Cremastinae The ressemblance is wrong! cthirion |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 18-01-2009 19:09
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Thanks Roger!
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| cthirion |
Posted on 18-01-2009 19:16
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Muhammad, beautiful photo and rare, I do not know the fauna of your country! I work especially Ichneumoninae and Diplazontinae d' Europe.. For the other subfamilies, I see when the answers are erroneous but I cannot always put another thing to replace. I am thus very careful, Pelle on Hymis and Komaric here seems me to be right! There is always a risk on photograph considering which one does not see all the characters necessary! cthirion |
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| Muhammad Mahdi |
Posted on 19-01-2009 14:15
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Thanks cthirion
Muhammad ____________________ www.micro2macro.net |
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| pierred |
Posted on 20-01-2009 07:34
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Tony, Tony Irwin wrote: I think the shape of the abdomen tip has altered because the ovipositor is upright. Certainly the thoracic colour of the right-hand wasp matches that of the female in the upper pictures. Thanks for the correction. Pierre Duhem |
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