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 Heleomyzidae - Suillia?
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 28-11-2007 13:47
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hi flyforum, Yesterday I found this fly in swampy reetland in the Amsterdam forest. size ~8-9mm It got different coloured eyes  I think it is a Heleomyzidae sp., and with it's dark veins perhabs Suillia? suggestions are welcome  |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 28-11-2007 13:47
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 28-11-2007 13:48
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detail of headparts
Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 28-11-2007 13:48 |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 28-11-2007 18:00
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Hmm, not Heleomyzidae !. The postvertical setae are divergent  .Andrzej |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 28-11-2007 22:45
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Thank you Andrzej ''The postvertical setae are divergent'', it took me some time but I think I found them  I have illustrate them with some arrows. (I am right?) It is not Heleomyzidae?, what kind of fly could it be else? 
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| Sundew |
Posted on 28-11-2007 23:00
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In a former thread Kahis wrote about Suillia: The five dorsocentral setae (per row) is a good character for this genus: 1 before the suture and 4 behind. I see only 4 setae in one row...Here my wisdom ends! Regards, Sundew |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 29-11-2007 08:26
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No time to check, but possiblt Eurygnathomyia bicolor (Pallopteridae) ??
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 29-11-2007 12:40
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Hi Kahis, I cannot find Eurygnathomyia sp. in the dutch specieslist. Under Pallopteridae I find 9 Palloptera sp.: 1. ambusta 2. modesta 3. muliebris 4. quinquemaculata 5. saltuum 6. trimacula 7. umbellatarum 8. usta 9. ustulata Eurygnathomyia sp. got preapical bristles, Palloptera does not(that's what I read..) Maybe it is not possible to check these from these details, but next to the apical bristles I don't see 'the preapicals' (maybe you don't see them because they are behind te legs on the picture) But I give them a try.. Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 29-11-2007 12:41 |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 29-11-2007 12:41
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legs detail 2
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| jhstuke |
Posted on 29-11-2007 14:49
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It could be Palloptera scutellata - just recently added to the dutch list. It could be a male and if it is a male it would be an interesting record because there have been only females been recorded in the Netherlands and in Germany before. Jens-Hermann |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 30-11-2007 11:49
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That would be great! It would be nice if someone could confirm this or help me any further, if possible.. I don't have keys for determination for these species. Looking to Palloptera-species in the diptera Gallery(checking the obvious wingpatterns) and to the time in the year when these flies are active, two species I cannot check: P. ambusta and P. modesta. Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 30-11-2007 12:28 |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 30-11-2007 22:16
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It seems to me Jens-Hermann is right: Palloptera scutellata.
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| kitenet |
Posted on 30-11-2007 22:41
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Under Pallopteridae I find 9 Palloptera sp.: 1. ambusta 2. modesta 3. muliebris 4. quinquemaculata 5. saltuum 6. trimacula 7. umbellatarum 8. usta 9. ustulata The key to the British Pallopteridae (by Alan Stubbs, 1994, revised by David Clements, 1999) includes all the above species plus anderssoni, bicolor, laetabilis and scutellata. This specimen keys out to scutellata , which is the only member of the genus (in Britain) with the combination of unmarked wing apex plus greyish marks elsewhere on the wing.Martin Martin Harvey |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 30-11-2007 22:56
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Wow! , that's nice I've read that the fly was catched in 2003, and also in 2004 and 2005. And only females where found?! (http://library.wur.nl/WebQuery/gkn/lang/1845147) Is the differerence between male and female visible from these pictures? |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 25-02-2008 18:06
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A rather late response, but it looks like a male specimen to me. I hope John will also have a look and will give his opinion.
Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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| John Smit |
Posted on 25-02-2008 19:47
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Hi all, Definitely P. scutellata! And yes, it seems to be the first male! Congratulations Robert! Do you perhaps have the exact locallity and further details for the Database, please?! John |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 01-03-2008 12:34
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Hi John, You can find the precize co?rdinates and data on: http://waarneming...id=3256922 If you need anything further, ask me. Maybe I can help Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 01-03-2008 12:35 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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