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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 28-07-2021 14:38
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Hi, recently in the italian forum FNM was submitted the following post: https://www.natur..._ID=334517 in my opinion it could be Rhagio cingulatus, but I am far from an expert, I simply tried to apply Van Veen keys which, by the way, are not for the Italian fauna. Best regards, Carlo |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 28-07-2021 15:15
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Rhagio sp for sure, this is an alpine species. Indeed R. cingulata is the most likely, maybe Theo Zeegers can confirm it. I saw a similar snipe fly in Austria, but could not take a photo.
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 29-07-2021 17:46
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Thanks Gabor.I'll wiat for Theo's opinion.
Edited by Carlo Monari on 31-07-2021 22:39 Best regards, Carlo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 30-07-2021 08:40
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Then, please post it here. Theo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 31-07-2021 22:34
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Here are the photos. They were shot by Andrea Solari on jul 16, 2021 in Lizzola (BG), northern Italy, at 1300 meters asl. Fisrst one Best regards, Carlo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 31-07-2021 22:35
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second
Best regards, Carlo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 31-07-2021 22:36
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third
Best regards, Carlo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2021 09:56
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So, this is interesting. It is too dark for cingulatus. Moreover, please note it is a male (!) with dichoptic eyes. A feature of big importance, as we know from Rh. atlanticus. It agrees generally very well with the dwscription of Rh. rondanii Bezzi, whcih I only know from description. Bezzi’s types are not accessible. The leg colouration is slightly off, but very variable in many Rhagio species. So, for now, it is Rhagio (cf.) rondanii. Please submit for the gallery as such ! Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2021 10:00
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Ah, apparently the type was in Budapest, in which case it is certainly lost. Theo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 01-08-2021 14:02
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Thanks!
Best regards, Carlo |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 02-08-2021 07:36
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Please also upload this to inaturalist.org! I think this is the first image of this rare species.
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but don't see the image in the post.
