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| mwkozlowski |
Posted on 01-04-2022 12:08
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could i be Ptychopteridae?
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| atylotus |
Posted on 03-04-2022 09:22
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As the thoracic horns are equal my best guess would be closer to the pupa of Prionocera, but I cannot rule out some Limoniidae. I will check it tomorrow when I'm back at the lab. I should have all of them in my collection
Edited by atylotus on 03-04-2022 10:04 |
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| atylotus |
Posted on 05-04-2022 09:54
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Ptychoptera exuvium |
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| atylotus |
Posted on 05-04-2022 09:55
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Prionocera exuvium
Edited by atylotus on 05-04-2022 09:55 |
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| atylotus |
Posted on 05-04-2022 09:58
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So, your pre-linnean drawing must be a member of Ptychopteridae. The anal segment may differ in species, but the abdomen and long thoracic spiracles are unlike any other family I have ever seen. |
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| mwkozlowski |
Posted on 08-04-2022 20:10
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Many thanks from the autor, Joris Hoefnagel (1542-1601)
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| weia |
Posted on 08-04-2022 22:46
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Interesting artist from what is now Belgium: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category rawings_by_Joris_Hoefnagel |
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| mwkozlowski |
Posted on 10-04-2022 11:51
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Some time ago I supplied Diptera.info with a picture of the pupa of Ptychoptera contaminata: https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=11225 and it had extremely unequal breathing tubules. contrary to that on the old picture.... very general entomologist |
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| atylotus |
Posted on 11-04-2022 15:01
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Yes, I know that Ptychoptera pupa have unequal thoracic spiracles, but often they break. I agree that your pre-linnean drawing isn't an exact match with Ptychoptera but I cannot think of any other family. |
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but don't see the image in the post.