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 Chloropidae. Which species? <Polyodapsis ruficornis
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| Roy |
Posted on 11-10-2022 17:02
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Hello, this little fly was found on a wall in my garden, the 04 10 2022.Body length : 2,5 mm. Locality : Luçon, middle west of France. Is it possible to get species ? Thank you by advance for your help. Regards. Christian  roy : France : Luçon : 85400 : 04/10/2022 Altitude : 10 m - Taille : 2,5 mm. Réf. : 311800  roy : France : Luçon : 85400 : 04/10/2022 Altitude : 10 m - Taille : 2,5 mm. Réf. : 311801  roy : France : Luçon : 85400 : 04/10/2022 Altitude : 10 m - Taille : 2,5 mm. Réf. : 311802  roy : France : Luçon : 85400 : 04/10/2022 Altitude : 10 m - Taille : 2,5 mm. Réf. : 311843 Edited by Roy on 03-01-2024 11:24 |
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| mcerny |
Posted on 12-10-2022 12:26
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It is not Melanagromyza (Agromyzidae). Miloš |
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| Roy |
Posted on 12-10-2022 12:32
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ah ok. thank you very much. And is it possible to get genus ? Christian |
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| Roy |
Posted on 13-10-2022 16:25
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Hello mcerny, what do you think about Polyodaspis ruficornis (Chloropidae) ? It seems suite more, no? Regards Christian Edited by Roy on 18-10-2022 12:40 |
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| Roy |
Posted on 15-10-2022 16:35
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Hello, no idea to species level about this possible Chloropidae ? Regards Christian Edited by Roy on 16-10-2022 09:20 |
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| Roy |
Posted on 18-10-2022 12:38
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Hello, i'm joining here a ventral view of the termialia of this presumed Polyodaspis (Chloropidae).  roy : France : Luçon : 85400 : 04/10/2022 Altitude : 10 m - Taille : 2,5 mm. Réf. : 312221 Christian Edited by Roy on 18-10-2022 15:46 |
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| Roy |
Posted on 21-10-2022 17:33
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Hello i have changed the tittle for the specialists of this family. Thank you by advance for an answer. Christian |
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| Roy |
Posted on 24-10-2022 20:42
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Hello, no idea ? Christian Edited by Roy on 24-10-2022 20:42 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 01-11-2022 09:42
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Running it though the Nartshuk's key (2016) you would end up at P. ruficornis, but her illustrations of the genitalia are not particularly detailed and neither the posterior view nor the ventral view show the clear tooth on each of the gonostyli, though the posterior view she gives may hint at an apical narrowing. Checking Ismay's thesis, both the posterior and ventral views of the genitalia show the apicalnarrowing, but he also illustrated a gonostylus at maximum width (possible at 45 degree angle between posterior and ventral views) and that seems a good match with your last illustration. So, yes, this is P. ruficornis.
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| Roy |
Posted on 01-11-2022 13:49
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Ah, great ! Thank you very much Paul Beuk.  Best regards. Christian Edited by Roy on 01-11-2022 13:51 |
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| von Tschirnhaus |
Posted on 07-11-2022 20:22
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Chloropidae, Oscinellinae, Lasiambia sp. The very fine parallel stripes on the frons (called "fettglänzend" by Duda in Lindner (1932-3)), the gena being obliquely divided in an upper and well separated dark lower part, labellum relatively long, nearly parallel postverticals (= postocellars), large palpi and in some species a rugose scutum let identify this genus. The central pair of pseudotracheae of the labellum partly is elongated and pointing backwards, its function is unknown. This species belongs to this group with the abundant species L. palposa (Fallén, 1820). Lasiambia species develop in grasshopper eggs, mantid oothecae, cells of solitary bees, ulcerous sap flows of trees and other peculiar substrates. Several species in central and mediterranean Europe and in the Near East are still undescribed.
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| Roy |
Posted on 08-11-2022 14:58
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Thank you very much for your answer ! Best regards. Christian Edited by Roy on 08-11-2022 15:00 |
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but don't see the image in the post.