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 Heleomyzidae, Gymnomus ? from Romania
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| cosmln |
Posted on 21-01-2008 14:21
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Hi, just photographed/collected this fly (21.January.2008). size ~7mm here the "rule" 4+1 is not applying so will not be a Suillia... can be IDed furter? thanks in advance, cosmln [EDIT]: title updated Edited by cosmln on 21-01-2008 15:25 |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 21-01-2008 14:24
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second photo |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 21-01-2008 14:26
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last photo |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 21-01-2008 14:45
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Hello, cosmln! Calyptrate fly (see photo 3), so no Heleomyzid. I suppose Scatophaga sp. (lutaria?). P.S.: More often than in the past I read Scathophagidae instead of Scatophagidae. But wouldn't be the latter be more correct (meaning "shit eater" of course...)? Edited by Juergen Peters on 21-01-2008 14:51 Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 21-01-2008 15:02
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Heleomyzidae, tribe Heleomyzini, probably 2 prosternal bristles and , if yes so should be a female of genus Gymnomus Lw  . Andrzej |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 21-01-2008 15:07
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Andrzej wrote: Heleomyzidae, tribe Heleomyzini, probably 2 prosternal bristles and , if yes so should be a female of genus Gymnomus Lw . Andrzej thanks, this exemplar is collected. can be identified further? what area to photograph under binoculars? from what i see there are 10 species from this genus (Gymnomus) in Europe and from this after FE 4 species are present (caesius, ceianui, europaeus, spectabilis) in Romania cosmln Edited by cosmln on 21-01-2008 15:17 |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 21-01-2008 15:19
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Andrzej wrote: Heleomyzidae, tribe Heleomyzini Ups... But isn't that a calyptra, especially visible on the third picture: Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-01-2008 15:21
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Juergen Peters wrote: More often than in the past I read Scathophagidae instead of Scatophagidae. But wouldn't be the latter be more correct (meaning "shit eater" of course...)? Scathophagidae is based on the original spelling and, even though it may be incorrrect spelling language-wise, it is correct spelling according to the rules of zoological nomenclature. Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 21-01-2008 15:23
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Juergen Peters wrote: Andrzej wrote: Heleomyzidae, tribe Heleomyzini Ups... But isn't that a calyptra, especially visible on the third picture: from what i know is not. but if Andrzej still think is a heleomyzid i believe him  cosmln |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 21-01-2008 15:29
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make a photo please of hind femur (How many bristles in the second half are present ?. Andrzej |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 21-01-2008 15:41
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Paul Beuk wrote: Scathophagidae is based on the original spelling and, even though it may be incorrrect spelling language-wise, it is correct spelling according to the rules of zoological nomenclature. Thanks, Paul! Then I'll have to change a bit in my databases... 
Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 21-01-2008 16:16
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hi Andrzej, here are two photo taken to mounted specimen (not really mounted, not glued). i hope you will find there what you need for identification. cosmln Edited by cosmln on 21-01-2008 16:18 |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 21-01-2008 16:20
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last, detail of the hind femur |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 22-01-2008 20:40
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Hi !, please be patient ! I should to verify my key of Gymnomus Lw and I am slightly busy at the momment  Andrzej |
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