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| Gordon Jar |
Posted on 04-06-2006 14:51
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This was photographed in my garden South East England on 03/06/06. I won't attempt to id the family. Thanks Gordon |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 04-06-2006 20:37
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It does ring a bell. Could you indicate the size ? Any change of seeing the hind tibia ? Thank Theo Zeegers |
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| Gordon Jar |
Posted on 04-06-2006 21:01
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Theo, Sorry I had meant to send this picture together with the others but somehow it got missed out. I suppose it was approximately 12-15 mm but I cannot give an accurate measurement. Regards Gordon |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 04-06-2006 22:22
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Hmm, the second pic looks more like Trixa conspersa ... I think. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 05-06-2006 09:28
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Right ! These are not the same species ! Last one is Trixa The first one, if it were from central Europe, I would have not hestitated to ID it as Blepharipa pratensis. There is, however, one problem: This species has not been recorded from UK so far (is it, Chris ?) Therefore, I want to be perfectly sure. Any more information would be appriciated ! Theo |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 05-06-2006 10:03
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We have't had Blepharipa pratensis in mainland UK yet but it has been recorded in Guernsey - but Blepharipa schineri has been taken a few times over the last few years - but rarely. Either record would be very exciting - and would highlight the importance of taking specimens for 100% determination  Gordon - any chance you could send me the originals to look at more closely? Would be nice to include them on the website too, whatever they turn out to be 
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| Gordon Jar |
Posted on 05-06-2006 10:28
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 It seems I have made a mistake with the photos. I have sorted it now. (I hope) Do these show sufficient. regards Gordon |
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| Gordon Jar |
Posted on 05-06-2006 10:34
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Nos. 2 |
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| Gordon Jar |
Posted on 05-06-2006 10:37
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Final one Chris I will send you the originals. Regards (red faced) Gordon |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 05-06-2006 11:09
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Wow - lovely fly - i particularly like the way the abdomen is mainly just hairy but with a pronounced tuft of bristles on the last segment. Theo - is this feature characteristic of all Blepharipa spp.? From Tschorsnig's Central European key it looks like it would be B.schineri, which is not as exciting as pratensis but is still a very rare fly. Good work Gordon
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 05-06-2006 11:29
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Oke, I'm confident it is Blepharipa. Chris points correctly out, there are two very similar species: pratensis and schineri. Schineri has reddish parts on tergites and lacks marginal setae on T2 and T3 (which are, by the way, first and second VISIBLE tergites). I do see marginals on T3, though small (have a good look !) and I don't see any reddish on the tergites. If all of this is correct, I can congratulate you with Blepharipa pratensis. Which is, by the way, the less rare of the two. Has it been collected ? Theo |
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| Gordon Jar |
Posted on 05-06-2006 19:17
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Theo, I believe this enlarged photo shows the 'marginal setae' you are refering to. For my education am I looking in the right place. I don't take specimens as I do not have the facilities to examine or keep them. Many thanks Regards Gordon Edited by Gordon Jar on 05-06-2006 19:23 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 14-06-2006 15:52
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Last night I emailed Peter Tschorsnig in Stuttgart with some of the Blepharipa photos to get his opinion. This is what he said today: The specimen on the photo should be a female of Blepharipa schineri (which is already known from UK). Median marginal bristles on tergites 1+2 and 3 are obviously missing, and the posterior margin of the tergites seems to be darker, both features of B. schineri. So, it's a good record - but not a first |
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| Gordon Jar |
Posted on 14-06-2006 17:32
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Thankyou Chris. It's a very pleasing result. Regards Gordon |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 16-06-2006 08:10
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Well, that is settled then. You guys still need to find pratensis. We in NL have them around oaks in city parks. Good luck Theo |
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