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 Asilidae - Stenopogoninae - Heteropogon aurocinctus from Serra da Estrela and from Serra Montesinho
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:00
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HI I saw this asilid in Nave de Santo António - circa 1500 m altitud - on 2010.VII.14 Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 29-07-2018 03:15 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-07-2010 22:02
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Posted on 21-07-2010 01:03
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Posted on 21-07-2010 01:06
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Posted on 21-07-2010 01:11
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Posted on 21-07-2010 01:12
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Posted on 21-07-2010 01:12
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Posted on 21-07-2010 01:15
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-07-2010 09:28
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detail of the head |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 21-07-2010 23:14
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A very interesting asilid Jorge! It has the habitus of a Laphystia relative -- but doesn't seem to match the Laphystia I'm familiar with (mainly Nearctic spp.!). The antennae and abdomen are different, and the face is narrower; can't see tergal bristles or wing tip venation in sufficient detail -- to tell about those features. Your Serra da Estrela definitely has some great flies! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-07-2010 23:24
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in a few minutes, I will upload the photo of the wing tip. And yes, Serra da Estrela is among the best spot in Europe without any doubts!  A first stop in Portugal for Diptera lovers. But it requires time to know the best places. Anyone willing to come Serra da Estrela contact me. (i only can help in the summer time, though). |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-07-2010 23:30
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here the wing tip. |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 22-07-2010 01:54
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Thanks Jorge -- not a Laphystia for sure. Could still be a relative though; genus? |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 22-07-2010 02:10
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the other possiblities: Glyphotriclis Hermann, 1920 G. ornatus (Schiner, 1868) Psilocurus Loew, 1874 P. blascoi Weinberg & Bächli, 2001 Scytomedes von Röder, 1882 S. haemorrhoidalis (Fabricius, 1794) Very improbable to be the first two genera.. And what about Triclis and Perasis and Hoplotriclis? Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 22-07-2010 02:36 |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 22-07-2010 18:22
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I'm able to rule out all of these above-mentioned genera (based on details of wing venation, antennae or face structure). So, it is either something new; or, it is a genus of "Dasypogonomorph" type (Dasypogoninae + Stenopogoninae, etc. : the limits of these previously recognized groups are now challenged by a new phylogeny - Dikow 2009) that I just don't know. If somebody recognizes this neat fly -- please speak-up! Regards, Eric |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 22-07-2010 19:22
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Thanks very much , Eric. Well, I really need to collect more specimens. I will come back to Nave de Santo António! Maybe Torsten or Dysmachus can tell more on this asilid... I'll get for you specimens of this asilid. |
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| Dysmachus |
Posted on 23-07-2011 22:32
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Using my key to the Palaearctic Laphystiini genera on the base of LEHR (1969) and my personal notes, this species seems to be closely related to Torebroma - BUT it has a closed fourth posterior cell. Because of the wing venation and some other characters, it isn't so easy to assign the subfamily. So I agree with Eric Fisher that this specimen should be checked by Torsten Dikow (torsten@tdvia.de). Yours |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 21:40
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Why not Heteropogon aurocinctus? It would be great to see an holotype of this one. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-09-2014 16:48
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at least I would like to know if someone can tell where this holotype can be found. Original descriptions do not have this information, unfortunately. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 10-11-2014 23:31
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News. Eric wrote me and this is a Stepogoninae asilid. "the (..) fly (recent thread # 31925) is positively NOT a Laphriinae (nor a Laphystiini)! Sensu Lehr 1988 (Pal. Cat.), it is a Stenopogoninae of some sort." So now speak out to try identify the possible genera... now it should be a bit easier..
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 10-11-2014 23:32 |
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but don't see the image in the post.