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 Tettigoniidae - Uromenus rugosicollis?
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| nick upton |
Posted on 05-12-2010 19:45
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Can anyone confirm my tentative ID for this large green bush cricket as a male Saddle-backed bush cricket Uromenus rugosicollis? 2.6.2010 c 2.5 cms plus antennae, Corsica near coast on wild carrot umbel. Edited by nick upton on 12-12-2010 22:04 Nick Upton - naturalist and photographer |
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| Sara21392 |
Posted on 08-12-2010 17:38
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Maybe maybe Tettigonidae (Ensifera)
Sincerely yours Sara |
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| nick upton |
Posted on 08-12-2010 21:11
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Thanks Sara. I'm no taxonomist (and classifications keep changing which always throws non specialists like me) , but I think it is of superfamily: Tettigonioidea, but of the Bradyporinae subfamily rather than Tettigoniidae Tribe: Ephippigerini Genus: Uromenus Specific name: rugosicollis But as I've never seen one of these "ephipigger" bush crickets before I was looking for confirmation from someone who knows them well. I don't think it could be anything else, but with many insect families there are many possibilities beyond the obvious ones! Nick Upton - naturalist and photographer |
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| Sara21392 |
Posted on 09-12-2010 19:11
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Dear Nick Upton Thanks a lot, but I can't find Bradyporinae subfamily in Tettigonioidea superfamily??? Would you please tell me that What do you mean? So thanks Sincerely yours Sara |
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| nick upton |
Posted on 09-12-2010 20:38
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Check this link http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/U/Uromenus_rugosicollis/ But actually now I've looked elsewhere on that website it seems Bradyporinae is a subfamily of the family Tettigoniidae, so you were right that my insect is of that family. http://zipcodezoo.com/Key/Animalia/Bradyporinae_Subfamily.asp and also on this link: http://www.ortheur.org/get?site=orthoptera&view=orthoptera&id=i000359&logId=l000050 Classification systems can vary (depending if old groupings have been "Split" into smaller subgroups or are still "lumped" together. Taxonomists / museum based entomologists are forever changing such things and often argue which way is "correct" . I'm fairly sure my insect is from Bradyporinae and is from the Ephippigerini tribe, with very short, rounded wings, used for singing, hidden under a large pronotum. It looks quite like the (maybe commoner) Ephipigger ephipigger, but I think the pronotum shape is more like Uromenus rugosicollis based on this link: http://aramel.free.fr/INSECTES9bis-40.shtml although my French is far from perfect. If I am lucky an orthopteran specialist will see this link and tell me if am right or not! As a generalist, I try to get IDs for insects of all kinds that I have photographed, so i cannot be very specialised in any one group. Nick Upton - naturalist and photographer |
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| Sara21392 |
Posted on 09-12-2010 21:09
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I think that I dizzy, these links differ with my book (Borror & Delong's Introduction to the Study of Insects, seventh edition), in this book wrote Suborder Ensifera, Superfamily Tettigonioidea, Family Tettigoniidae, Subfamilies: Copiphorinae, Phaneropterinae, Pseudophyllinae, Listroscelinae, Conocephalinae, Decticinae, Saginae, Meconematinae, Tettigoniinae.????Why do differ between them???  this might be Rhaphidiophoridae????? so looks like it!! Edited by Sara21392 on 09-12-2010 21:15 Sincerely yours Sara |
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| nick upton |
Posted on 09-12-2010 21:42
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Like I said, classification systems vary. Borror and Delong's intro was first published in the 1950s and even by the 7th edition maybe it is not fully up to date for all kinds of insect, or takes a different view on how much to split the Orthopteran groups up. I really think I have found the right species, certainly the right subfamily, but I wait for an expert to comment.
Nick Upton - naturalist and photographer |
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but don't see the image in the post.
