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 Amblyteles armatorius (male) Ichneumonidae wasp.
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-04-2007 00:18
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* locality - Silgueiros - Viseu - PORTUGAL * date - 2007.04.18 * size - 7 mm (large wasp) * habitat - openland * substrate - grass Acroricnus sp. ? EDIT ----> title changed from "Acroricnus sp. ? Ichneumonidae wasp." to "Amblyteles armatorius (male) Ichneumonidae wasp." Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 20-04-2007 12:26 |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 20-04-2007 07:40
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Ichneumonidae Ichneumoninae Amblyteles armatorius m?le perhaps or near? cthirion |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-04-2007 08:51
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the doubt is for species? Are you sure about genus? Please give me (it could be in French) the definitive characters to ID Amblyteles sp. Why not Acroricnus ? I want to know.  Merci beaucoup. |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 20-04-2007 11:35
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Hello Jorge! ? ?Acroricnus is in Cryptinae, the shape of the petiole! ? ?Amblypygi, more than 20 characters to be checked! ? ?And in this precise case, it is risk of error with the Ichneumon kind whose males are impossible to separate! ? ?For Amblyteles armatorius, to check if there are spines behind the surface at the end of the thorax seen of back!  If not, possible Diphyus palliatorius, gradatorius.....etc!?
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-04-2007 12:24
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wow! Great1!!! It has two conspicuous spines, even at unaided eye, in ventral-posterior thorax! (the two spines are in opposing sides. Not in the middle.  So can we conclude that this is really Ambyteles armatorius? A female? But I don't see the ovopositor... ah... you said that this was a male... due the lack of ovipositor, right? Let me know more about Ambyteles armatorius. Which is/are species Amblyteles armatorius parasites? Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 20-04-2007 12:26 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-04-2007 13:00
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cthirion wrote: ?Acroricnus is in Cryptinae, the shape of the petiole! ? ?Amblypygi, more than 20 characters to be checked! ? ? amblypygi? ok. I know you wanted to say Amblyteles.Cryptinae -- about this one: shape of petiole for Ichneumoninae http://bitkikorum...genel2.jpg for cryptinae-- http://bitkikorum...ab.seg.jpg it is almost the same... if I got it right, I think that in Ichneumoninae the petiole is more smaller and not stretched like in Cryptinae (now Gelinae I think...). Or is the way as the petiole appointed? please I want to know! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-04-2007 13:45
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i know now one part of my question: (please give info about the other questions. thanks!) "A. armatorius is known as a parasitoid of moths in the family Noctuidae and has also been reported specifically as parasitising the caterpillars of the Emperor Moth (Saturnia pavonia) (Peigler, 1994)." from "Peigler, R.S. (1994). Catalog of parasitoids of Saturniidae of the world. Journal of Research on the Lepidoptera 33: 1-121. Accessible online at http://www.doyleg...33-001.pdf" "53. Amblyteles armatorius (Forster) Hosts: Saturnia pavonia Distribution: Europe, including Britain References: Thompson (1944: 535), Rougeot (1971: 107), Chinery (1975: pl. 38), Pujade & Sarto (1986: 20). Remarks: This wasp is black with broad yellow bands on the abdomen and legs. The scutellum and tegulae are also yellow. It was figured in color by Chinery and Pujade & Sarto." Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 20-04-2007 13:51 |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 20-04-2007 18:39
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Host! Agrotis segetum; Autographa gamma; Calliteara pudibunda; Clostera curtula; Cucullia absinthii [Artemisia absinthium]; Cucullia argentea; Diarsia brunnea; Euxoa sibirica; Latrodectus mactans; Lymantria dispar; Macrothylacia rubi; Mamestra brassicae; Mamestra brassicae [Brassica oleracea]; Melanchra persicariae; Naenia typica; Noctua comes [Lupinus]; Noctua fimbriata; Noctua orbona; Noctua pronuba; Noctua pronuba [Nicotiana tabacum]; Odontopera bidentata [Ribes sanguineum]; Parnassius mnemosyne; Phlogophora meticulosa; Ptilodon capucina; Saturnia pavonia; Vanessa atalanta; Xestia ashworthii; Xestia c-nigrum; Xestia xanthographa;
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-04-2007 20:20
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so many. all moths I suppose. And I suppose that the final conclusion is Amblyteles armatorius male. Unfortunately this book about hymenopters is NOT AVAILABLE TO SELL anymore (neither in net).  --- >> "The Hymenoptera. eds. Ian Gauld & Barry Bolton. 1988. ISBN 0-19-858521-7. Issued by the British Museum (Natural History)."if anyone knows about this book let me know, please. I also didn?t find these references (but for now, I would need the first): H.Townes: The genera of Ichneumonidae, part 1. Memoirs Am. Ent. Institute nr. 11 1969. 300 pp. Or Handbooks for the Identification of British Insects Vol vii. part2 (ai): Hymenoptera, Ichneumonoidea, Ichneumonidae, key to subfamilies and Ichneumoninae-1 by J.F. Perkins. 1959. Thank you! |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 20-04-2007 22:26
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Classey bookshop, to see on Internet! ? ?The nomenclature Families was compl?tement modified and Ichneumoninae divides into volumes it will not be useful to you in your country, in more all is being revised, nomenclature, description of the synonymous species, it is more usable only by those quint work of revision at side, sorry! ?Amblyteles armatorius male OK
Edited by cthirion on 20-04-2007 22:29 cthirion |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-04-2007 01:03
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cthirion wrote: Classey bookshop, to see on Internet! ? ?The nomenclature Families was compl?tement modified and Ichneumoninae divides into volumes it will not be useful to you in your country, in more all is being revised, nomenclature, description of the synonymous species, it is more usable only by those quint work of revision at side, sorry! ?Amblyteles armatorius male OK modified? by who? http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?isbn=0198585217&st=xl&ac=qr&src=dir no book. |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 21-04-2007 10:17
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http://www.brc.ac.uk/downloads/Ichneumonidae_subfamily_key.pdf
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-04-2007 12:33
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i have it (since Dec. 2006). But I want a book about hymenopters - "The Hymenoptera" by Ian Gauld & Barry Bolton. There are no books for sell.
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| eguzki |
Posted on 21-04-2007 13:27
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jorgemotalmeida wrote: so many. all moths I suppose. And I suppose that the final conclusion is Amblyteles armatorius male. Unfortunately this book about hymenopters is NOT AVAILABLE TO SELL anymore (neither in net). --- >> "The Hymenoptera. eds. Ian Gauld & Barry Bolton. 1988. ISBN 0-19-858521-7. Issued by the British Museum (Natural History)."if anyone knows about this book let me know, please. I also didn?t find these references (but for now, I would need the first): H.Townes: The genera of Ichneumonidae, part 1. Memoirs Am. Ent. Institute nr. 11 1969. 300 pp. Or Handbooks for the Identification of British Insects Vol vii. part2 (ai): Hymenoptera, Ichneumonoidea, Ichneumonidae, key to subfamilies and Ichneumoninae-1 by J.F. Perkins. 1959. Thank you! Not really, Latrodectus mactans isn't a moth.... |
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| crex |
Posted on 21-04-2007 13:51
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Hymenoptera of the World: An Identification Guide to Families. |
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| crex |
Posted on 21-04-2007 14:02
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jorgemotalmeida wrote: i have it (since Dec. 2006). But I want a book about hymenopters - "The Hymenoptera" by Ian Gauld & Barry Bolton. There are no books for sell. Try Pemberley books. if they got one left ... B4827. Gauld, I.; Bolton, B. The Hymenoptera 1996. pp. xi, 332. 10 col plates, 148 text figs. HB. Fine. ?75.00 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-04-2007 16:58
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eguzki wrote: jorgemotalmeida wrote: so many. all moths I suppose. And I suppose that the final conclusion is Amblyteles armatorius male. Unfortunately this book about hymenopters is NOT AVAILABLE TO SELL anymore (neither in net). --- >> "The Hymenoptera. eds. Ian Gauld & Barry Bolton. 1988. ISBN 0-19-858521-7. Issued by the British Museum (Natural History)."if anyone knows about this book let me know, please. I also didn?t find these references (but for now, I would need the first): H.Townes: The genera of Ichneumonidae, part 1. Memoirs Am. Ent. Institute nr. 11 1969. 300 pp. Or Handbooks for the Identification of British Insects Vol vii. part2 (ai): Hymenoptera, Ichneumonoidea, Ichneumonidae, key to subfamilies and Ichneumoninae-1 by J.F. Perkins. 1959. Thank you! Not really, Latrodectus mactans isn't a moth.... i didn?t see that Theridiidae spider! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-04-2007 17:04
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crex--- the book is really expensive the first one.  and it is not by amazon. Concerning the "Introduction to Hymenopter" the problem remains the same. Even Pemberley don?t have the book. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 23-04-2007 01:24
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nobody knows about this book: Gauld, I.; Bolton, B. "The Hymenoptera" ? last edition.. the links that all gave here tell that there are no more editions and it is soldout. I wonder if someone has this book. Perhaps it is interested in selling it... (dream, ok). |
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