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 A Scenopinus species
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| lweit |
Posted on 01-07-2016 17:06
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Hello I found this little fly (5-6 mm) in NE of France (Distroff, 57925) the 30/06/2016 I think it's Scenopinus fenestralis. Male or female ? Thank you Louis Edited by lweit on 01-07-2016 17:29 |
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| lweit |
Posted on 01-07-2016 17:48
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A second photo |
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| lweit |
Posted on 06-07-2016 09:31
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Hello Nobody to confirm this species ? Thank you Louis |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 06-07-2016 10:57
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Kelsey's key (1969) is only moderately helpful als it provides a rather crude key to the species and that does not include several more recently described species. It is Obvious that the wings are not entirely hyaline but have some darkening on the anterior half and along the posterior margin. Does this lead one to 'wings hyaline' or to 'wings brown'? Anyway, some characters are not visible, but there is a median groove on the frons. This fits with lesinensis (only known from Austria) but that should have the halter nob creamy below (that fits) and red-brown above (impossible to confirm from these images but it lookis as if there might be a darker part on it). Would you care to send the specimen?
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| lweit |
Posted on 06-07-2016 15:45
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Hello Paul, thank you for your answer. I can send you the specimen, but it had "suffered", only a part on one wing. Where, what address ? I join a photo of the halter in dorsal view Louis |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 06-07-2016 19:12
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See the link in the left column: Sending material and visiting. The new picture looks promising for lesinensis...
Edited by Paul Beuk on 06-07-2016 19:13 Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| lweit |
Posted on 06-07-2016 20:11
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Ok Paul i send you thé spécimen. Louis |
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| lweit |
Posted on 23-08-2016 16:42
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Hello Paul no identification for these species (send in your lab during week 28) ? Louis |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 26-08-2016 10:20
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Sorry, work and holidays intervened. First examination also seems to be in favour of lesinensis but I need to prepare the abdomen as it has become very flat. Hopefully today...
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| lweit |
Posted on 14-09-2016 14:13
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Hello Paul Does the microscope given a specific species ? Louis |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 16-09-2016 11:56
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Preparing Scenopinus was something new to me but it turned out quite well. In Kelsey's it indeed results in lesinensis . Now I need to rule out the species described by Carles-Tolrá. 
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| lweit |
Posted on 23-09-2016 16:02
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Thank you Paul we wait  Louis Edited by lweit on 23-09-2016 16:03 |
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| lweit |
Posted on 21-10-2016 16:07
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Hello Paul Can you confirm the species S. lesinensis after comparison with the species described by Carles-Tolrá. Thank you Louis |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 25-10-2016 08:37
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LoL, I had not located Carles-Tolrá's publication yet as our library does not carry the journal. Can I simply find it online! His species are both in a different species group so consider the identification confirmed.
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| lweit |
Posted on 25-10-2016 18:35
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Hello Paul Thank you for your confirmation, so finally Scenopinus lesinensis (a new species for France). The publication is here : http://www.entomologica.es/cont/publis/boletines/1051.pdf Louis |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 12-11-2023 01:36
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Hi lweit, The link: http://www.entomologica.es/cont/publis/boletines/1051.pdf is not working anymore and the website is very difficult to navigate. The 2016 pdf of the bulletin have nothing about Scenopinidae in them. Can you find the paper? Kind regrads, Elias |
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but don't see the image in the post.