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| Rafael Estevez |
Posted on 31-08-2007 20:04
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Photo taken in Zamanes - Vigo (Spain) 450 mts. early august 2007, size about 5 mm. damp grassland field near pine wood. Rafael |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 31-08-2007 20:23
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Why not Atherigona varia (Muscidae) ? Greetings. Stephane. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 01-09-2007 08:53
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Nobody to correct me ? So I must be right with this nice one.  Stephane. |
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| Rafael Estevez |
Posted on 01-09-2007 10:12
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It certainly looks like it. Thnks Stephane.. Rafael |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-09-2007 12:50
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It is a pleasure o meet this nice fly here. Of course, there are no doubts about genus, but species level ID isn't as easy. I have rather large collection of Atherigona from Senegal, Egypt, Turkey and Oriental. The only key I could found is Adrian Pont's key for Saudi Arabia. With this key I have 95-98% ID of several species: A.bredfordi, A.laevigata, A.orientalis. A.varia absent in Saudi Arabia and absent in Pont's key. There is description of A.varia in Gregor at all key for Central Europe and key for European Russia. But in both cases descriptions have been done in knowledge that A.varia is the only Atherigona in region and are not enought to be sure in case like this (Spain) where there are several more species. Have you Stephane (or anybody else) reliable ID specimen of A.varia? I'll be happy to see photo or ask several questions to such specimen owner  Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 01-09-2007 13:15
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No, I never found Atherigona.  That why my answer was not sure. I'm just beginning studying Muscidae, my collection is very very small... Stephane. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-09-2007 13:44
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No, I never found Atherigona. It is a pity - in France A.non-varia is less probable than in Spain. I can say that in another Mediterranian country - Turkey, tiny lake Titreyen near Side I found at least 3 different species of Atherigona at once! And I still don't know is A.varia among its or not Someday we'll know the answer! Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephen |
Posted on 02-09-2007 10:13
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Rafael, I can't help but add that this is an exceptional photo, so sharp and detailed, and nice composition too!
--Stephen Stephen Cresswell www.americaninsects.net |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 20-10-2007 19:57
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Today at Sochi region I collected 2 Atherigona varia, now I know how it looks like! It looks exactly as this one, so Stephane ID is correct - A.varia Rafael, will you please, submit in Gallery! Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-10-2007 20:00
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Again in Sochi??  you lucky man! Always travelling. airplane?  |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 20-10-2007 20:04
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I'm happy for you Nikita, you have found it ! Not my case yet. What was the habitat ? Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-10-2007 20:06
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this one Stpehane: >> I think something like this http://diptera.in...ad_id=6523 and next year there will be a total solar eclipse in RUSSIA! 1 August 2008. Siberia region, Novosibirsk will testify the great event (2 minutes). |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 20-10-2007 20:08
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private jet |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 21-10-2007 06:26
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What was the habitat ? According Gregor et al. host plant and larvae of A.varia are still unknown. I susupect I know the answer - no host plant as in case of Atherigona orientalis, but varios decaying matter. My specimens was from dead rat I was lucky to find at Imeretinsky lowland (future Olympic village of Sochi 2014 ) Also some specimens from Turkey was A.varia too I guess now - and again all females and all from carrion!Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 21-10-2007 19:43
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Thanks for the information Nikita. 
Stephane. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 02-11-2007 09:21
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It is Atherigona varia from Sochi. 2 spp with darkened t3 apical half, 1sp like on Rafael's image Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 02-11-2007 09:34
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Opps! It isn't intra-species variations, but two different species (also palpi and frons differs) - one A.varia, another one new for Russia another Atherigona. Which one out of 2 is A.varia I don't know again Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 02-11-2007 10:35
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What a geometrical fly ; all seems to be square, head, antennae. An amazing robot fly !
Stephane. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 05-11-2007 14:26
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Stephane, I had reason to be careful in species level ID of European Atherigona! I started to suspect it as soon as sent previos reply, but now I've got confirmation from Adrian Pont - my 2 species from Sochi are both new for Russia (and Central Europe) and no one out of 2 is A.varia Nikita P.S. Still, Rafael's image well may be A.varia (or A.pulla) Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 06-11-2007 23:32
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OK, I take due note of this. What species did you find ? Stephane. |
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