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| zcuc |
Posted on 08-10-2007 11:20
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Is it possible to identify from the picture? Found on september, Israel. |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 08-10-2007 20:02
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I can see it's hard one so at least can anyone maybe know what are the keys for "Tabanus tunicatus" can you approve or contradict it is "Tabanus tunicatus"? thanks |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 10-10-2007 19:28
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Tunicatus is only found in the genus Therioplectes. Very different (See my 'world' review in Studia DIpterologica). This is a nice male of Tabanus autumnalis Theo |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 10-10-2007 19:43
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Zeegers, Check this link http://zipcodezoo...icatus.asp for Tabanus tunicatus. I only asked because it seem to match my distribution map. but I don't have any other identification info. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 10-10-2007 20:32
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Correct, that's the same, nowadays (and for many years, actually) in the genus Therioplectes. No Tabanus ss. (in the modern sense). The modern sense can, in most cases, be checked here: http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov:591/diptera/names/searchno.htm Theo |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 10-10-2007 23:14
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Those new names can occasionally confuse  So now when we all talk moderen, can you confirm it is not Therioplectes tunicatus? I also found that "Tabanus autumnalis" has a very similar sp. "Tabanus bovinus" with the range of Europe, Russia, North Africa does "Tabanus autumnalis" match that distribution range? i.e. could appear in israel? |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 11-10-2007 18:44
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Theo - I looked at this one and thought T autumnalis, but I didn't post because I seem to remember you saying ages ago that specimens from the Middle East tend to be very orange, and this one is greyer than the ones I get in Essex. Is the colour actually rather variable wherever you are?
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-10-2007 20:04
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Susan, your memory is flawless, that's what I said. And nevertheless, this is a dark male autumnalis, agreed, unusually dark, nevertheless autumnalis. So I have to revise my opinion in : 'from Turkey and Caucasus up to Afghanistan often very orange' thanks, I didn't realize it myself ! Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-10-2007 20:06
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SOrry, overlooked the bovinus-question. Bovinus is not 'very similar', at least not in my standards: bovinus has central dorsal triangular spots only, whereas autumnalis has the characteristic 3 rows of triangular spots. Theo |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 12-10-2007 00:34
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Thanks Zeegers, I'll add it to the gallery. |
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but don't see the image in the post.