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 Sarcophagidae - Miltogramminae - Senotainia sp.
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| Yvan Barbier |
Posted on 26-10-2007 11:05
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Dear all, could you help me to identify this fly. It is a parasitic fly that layed its eggs on the preys of Bembix rostrata (Hym. Crabronidae). Preys consitst essentially of paralyzed Syrphidae and Tabanidae. The flies used to lay their eggs when the Bembix came back to its nest with a new prey. Photos taken during july 2007 in the North-East of France. Thanks! Yvan  
Edited by Yvan Barbier on 27-10-2007 14:18 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-10-2007 13:11
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no. It is Sarcophagidae > Miltogramminae. |
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| Philippe moniotte |
Posted on 26-10-2007 13:16
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Could it be the same as this one http://www.dipter...ad_id=8166 which I posted some time ago ? Fantastic pictures, by the way Philippe |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-10-2007 20:09
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The large majority of Miltogramminae are kleptoparasites of solitary bees and wasps (e.g., Spofford et al. 1989) Can you tell us the difference between Crabronidae and Sphecidae?  |
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| Yvan Barbier |
Posted on 27-10-2007 11:05
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Hello everybody Thank you for your answers. After some phylogenetic studies, the old family "Sphecidae" is now splited into 3 different families: Ampulicidae, Sphecidae (s.s.) and Crabronidae. For details, please sea Fauna Europaea |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-10-2007 12:11
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Yvan... http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=11301 It hasn't anything about the differences.. i don't know clearly the differences between Sphecidae and Crabronidae.. |
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| Yvan Barbier |
Posted on 27-10-2007 12:53
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well, the "old" family Sphecidae appears to be paraphyletic. It has been demonstrated that the apoidea clade is rooted into a group of "sphecid" wasps. So it was necessary to split the family in, at least, two groups. After all, it was splited into 3 groups : - Ampulicidae (old subfamily Ampulicinae with e.g. Ampulex, Dolichurus, ...) - Sphecidae (old subfamily Sphecinae with e.g. Sphex, Sceliphron, Ammophila, ...) - Crabronidae (with all the other groups). This last group is the sister group of the Apoidea |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-10-2007 13:03
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Thanks, Yvan. I would like to know the split characters. About the phylogeny I had a vague idea. "Crabronidae has x segments on antennas.. and SPhecida has ??... Crabronidae has an aerolet in anterior wing, Sphecidae no.. " this is I want to know. (caution: they are hypothetical examples. |
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| Yvan Barbier |
Posted on 27-10-2007 13:45
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Remember that phylogenetic studies results in consensus trees and it is not always obvious to retain simple characters. Melo (1999) studied 130 characters from the morphology of adults, 6 from larval morphology and 3 from adult behavior. I cannot relate all characters that allow to identify groups but, for example, here are some of them: for Ampulicidae : apophyseal arms of prothoracic endosternum separate; notauli indicated externally by sulcus; etc... for Crabronidae: posterior wall of pharynx forming 2 buging sacs; claws simple without subapical or subbasal teeth; etc.. for Apidae : female antennae shortened; mesocoxal carina present; male cerci absent; etc... For the complete story : Melo, G. A.R. 1999. Phylogenetic relationships and classification of the major lineages of Apoidea (Hymenoptera), with emphasis on the crabronid wasps. Scientific Papers, Nat. Hist. Mus., Univ. Kansas, no. 14:1-55. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 27-10-2007 13:57
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The fly seems to me a specie of Senotainia. Liekele is the expert. Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-10-2007 14:15
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Yvan, edit your first post and write in title Sarcophagidae - Miltogramminae - Senotainia sp. to call attention to Liekele. Thanks for explanation. Now it is clear. |
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| Yvan Barbier |
Posted on 27-10-2007 14:18
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ok it's done  |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 30-10-2007 10:16
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This is Senotainia albifrons, which is known to me as a regular kleptoparasite of Bembix rostrata in the Netherlands. Liekele |
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| Yvan Barbier |
Posted on 05-11-2007 15:46
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Thank you very much for this ID! yvan |
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| mwkozlowski |
Posted on 06-11-2007 15:25
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enclosed a photo of probably the same fly from Warsaw, satelite to Bembix; really the same?
very general entomologist |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 07-11-2007 13:19
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The fly from Warsaw is not Senotainia, but Phrosinella nasuta (Sarcophagidae, Miltogramminae). Very nice picture. Liekele |
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