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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 21-11-2007 00:10
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hi flyforum, Can anyone tell me what kind of flies these are? fly 1) ~3-4mm Amsterdam forest - near open water fly 2) ~5mm Amsterdam forest - in area with reet and wet land Robert, |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 21-11-2007 00:11
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fly 2 - wingveins are obvious
Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 21-11-2007 00:11 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-11-2007 07:23
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Top is Scaptomyza pallida of the Drosophilidae. Bottom maybe Rhinophoridae? Please, keep unrelated queries in separate threads. 
Edited by Paul Beuk on 21-11-2007 07:24 Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 21-11-2007 09:37
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The 2nd one is close to Melanomya nana (Calliphoridae).
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-11-2007 11:23
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I think that used to be Rhinophoridae, right?
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 21-11-2007 19:49
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Thank you very much Kahis and Paul, I didn't count on ID on specieslevel! And what a small kind of Calliphoridae (Melanomya nana). In: http://www.nederlandsesoorten.nl/get?site=nlsr&view=nlsr&page_alias=conceptcard&cid=0AHCYFBCXNXA&q=nana this fly is now under Calliphoridae It was Rhinophoridae? |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 21-11-2007 19:59
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Hello, I had asked the question and Theo had answered here. Kahis didn't say it was Melanomyia nana, but close to. M. nana has got open r4+5 cell as far as I know... Greetings. Edited by Stephane Lebrun on 21-11-2007 20:00 Stephane. |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 21-11-2007 19:59
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Yes, it was in Rhinophoridae to (IIRC) the mid-80's.
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 21-11-2007 23:50
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M. nana has got open r4+5 cell as far as I know... I have seen melanomyia in august 2006, on the bank on the other site of the lake What I remember was that this fly got much darkener wings and indeed open R4 +R5 cell (see photo) I don't think it is melanomyia, but what else? It's a pitty I don't have more pictures.. The picture underneath, I took last year (yes I made progress in my pictures )
Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 21-11-2007 23:56 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 22-11-2007 21:36
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Number 2 is a surprising creature, I though Kahis was right, but the topcel is stalked. There is no Rhinophoridae matching this description. We can't see the abdomen, but it has to me a very Anthomyiidae - impression and I have difficulty to believe it's either Tachinidae or Rhinophoridae, I know, despite the fact that the M-vein is curved. I'm lost Theo |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 23-11-2007 00:13
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I can't bear the thought of Theo "lost"  , so offer a suggestion that the second fly might be something like Angioneura acerba (now Calliphoridae, formerly Rhinophoridae)? I know this species normally doesn't have a petiole. Unfortunately I don't have a specimen to hand to check the other features.
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 23-11-2007 00:33
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(I will have a look tomorrow, and I'll try to find this little creep ) |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 23-11-2007 09:53
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Tony, good suggestion. I had considered it, and rejected for the reason you mention. However, Angioneura is rather rare, so maybe it's more variable than we imagine. Theo |
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