Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Bibio sp. --> Bibio cf. rufipes

Posted by Eugen on 28-05-2021 22:40
#1

Hi,

could that be Bibio johannis? Found on May 23, 21 in Germany, North Bavaria, on a meadow. Estimated size 6-8 mm.

Thanks and Regards,
Eugen

Edited by Eugen on 29-05-2021 17:41

Posted by Eugen on 28-05-2021 22:41
#2

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Posted by Eugen on 28-05-2021 22:41
#3

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Posted by eklans on 29-05-2021 08:00
#4

Hi Eugen, this is most probably a female Bibio rufipes:
- Wings brownish
- Thorax sides partly red
- Abdomen ventrally yellow

Posted by Zeegers on 29-05-2021 08:13
#5

from lowland Bavaria ?

Theo

Posted by eklans on 29-05-2021 08:44
#6

Don't you expect them to be here (I'm in Franken, Northern Bavaria, too, and they are quite common here).

Posted by Eugen on 29-05-2021 17:39
#7

Hi Eric and Theo,

many thanks for your answers. Here we have an Low mountain Range up to 920 msm (Rhön). I found it at 380 msm.

Greetings
Eugen

Posted by Zeegers on 30-05-2021 09:51
#8

Schacht in his checklist for Bayern does not mention this species

https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/ENT_0018_0549-0555.pdf

According to fauna-eu, it is strictly boreal

https://fauna-eu.org/cdm_dataportal/taxon/b25f05f0-a877-43e5-99bf-e4282ec7138b

and johannis often has very red legs ....

So unless you are 1000 % sure and you have males as well, rufipes seems unlikely


Theo




Posted by eklans on 30-05-2021 11:04
#9

Hi Theo and thanks for the Schacht-pdf. I will check my females, males and couples - of which I think they are rufipes - again as accurately as possible and come back with the analysis asap.

Posted by Zeegers on 30-05-2021 14:21
#10

That would be great. Of course, I cannot comment on specimens I haven’t seen, but it needs to be double checked. Thanks

Theo

Posted by Eugen on 30-05-2021 20:31
#11

I still have one photo Wink

Posted by libor on 30-05-2021 21:17
#12

And what about immature johannis or varipes?
Libor

Posted by Zeegers on 01-06-2021 07:53
#13

I disregard female Bibio, so I shouldn’t comment, but I am convinced you are right, Libor. johannis can have totally red legs.

Theo

Edited by Zeegers on 01-06-2021 07:54

Posted by eklans on 01-06-2021 10:40
#14

I've looked again at the images and on #1 I think I can see the V-shaped callus on the frons which should be significant for the female rufipes (Bibionidae de la faune Belge, Jan Verbeke). If you compare this snippet with your original photo you may see it more clearly.

Eric

Posted by Eugen on 01-06-2021 15:56
#15

Hi together,

thank you very much for your effort. I have attached an enlarged section again. Unfortunately, it doesn't get any better.

Greetings
Eugen