Thread subject: Diptera.info :: from pre-Linnean atlas

Posted by mwkozlowski on 01-04-2022 12:08
#1
could i be Ptychopteridae?

Posted by atylotus on 03-04-2022 09:22
#2
As the thoracic horns are equal my best guess would be closer to the pupa of Prionocera, but I cannot rule out some Limoniidae. I will check it tomorrow when I'm back at the lab. I should have all of them in my collection
Edited by atylotus on 03-04-2022 10:04

Posted by atylotus on 05-04-2022 09:54
#3
Ptychoptera exuvium

Posted by atylotus on 05-04-2022 09:55
#4
Prionocera exuvium
Edited by atylotus on 05-04-2022 09:55

Posted by atylotus on 05-04-2022 09:58
#5
So, your pre-linnean drawing must be a member of Ptychopteridae. The anal segment may differ in species, but the abdomen and long thoracic spiracles are unlike any other family I have ever seen.

Posted by mwkozlowski on 08-04-2022 20:10
#6
Many thanks from the autor, Joris Hoefnagel (1542-1601)

Posted by weia on 08-04-2022 22:46
#7
Interesting artist from what is now Belgium: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/CategoryGrinrawings_by_Joris_Hoefnagel

Posted by mwkozlowski on 10-04-2022 11:51
#8
Some time ago I supplied Diptera.info with a picture of the pupa of Ptychoptera contaminata:
https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=11225

and it had extremely unequal breathing tubules. contrary to that on the old picture....

Posted by atylotus on 11-04-2022 15:01
#9
Yes, I know that Ptychoptera pupa have unequal thoracic spiracles, but often they break. I agree that your pre-linnean drawing isn't an exact match with Ptychoptera but I cannot think of any other family.