Thread subject: Diptera.info :: A fly on trunk of Populus tremula

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 08-07-2006 21:04
#1

July 08, 2006.
Size 7mm.
It would take off, cruise for a while and return to sit on the bark (of a pine tree nearby, too). Exposed its long proboscis.

Edited by Dmitry Gavryushin on 08-07-2006 21:06

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 08-07-2006 21:05
#2

One more view.

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-07-2006 21:08
#3

As far as I know, it is Aphria sp., Tachinidae.
Nikita

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 08-07-2006 21:11
#4

OK thanks (I nicked the family again!)

Posted by ChrisR on 08-07-2006 22:38
#5

I think it looks more like Prosena siberita - was the arista plumose?

(Aphria is smaller and darker and the proboscis isn't as long - see http://tachinidae...rcno=13001) Grin

Edited by ChrisR on 08-07-2006 22:50

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-07-2006 22:59
#6

In this case Chris
http://www.rosfoto.ru/shop/photo/42525/ and
http://www.rosfoto.ru/shop/photo/42524/
are misID as Aphria?

Posted by ChrisR on 08-07-2006 23:06
#7

Hi Nikita, in my opinion those are both Prosena siberita again - that's certainly what I would call them in England - if the arista is plumose Smile Just look at those legs - they are long and thin, like other dexiines (Thelaira etc) Wink

Edited by ChrisR on 08-07-2006 23:10

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-07-2006 23:13
#8

In my key Aphria 6-8mm, Prosena - 10-12; but Aphria black legs, Prosena - yellow with black tarsi.
More probable that Black gave us smaller size, as legs colour is clearly visible.

Posted by ChrisR on 08-07-2006 23:23
#9

Well, don't forget that the size they give is the average size for normal specimens. There are always small ones because the development of a parasitoid is dependent on the development of its host - sick, weak host = small parasitoid. I have a tiny Tachina fera here - about 8mm or less.

The difficult thing with these photos is that the antennae and arista are not clear. If it was clearly plumose then the keying would be easy and it would go very fast to Prosena I think Cool

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-07-2006 23:30
#10

At least Chris, there are only two genus of Tachinidae with such proboscis, I hope?

Posted by ChrisR on 08-07-2006 23:50
#11

Well, Siphona have a long proboscis but theirs is hinged Smile

I caught Rhamphina pedemontana in the Pyrennes one year (see photo) but this species carries the proboscis under the body I think - and it is mainly southern in distribution. It's a superb fly - the same size as a large Eurithia sp. Smile

Edited by ChrisR on 08-07-2006 23:50

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 09-07-2006 10:55
#12

Hi guys I almost missed the case again.
First, I underestimated the size just as Nikita suggested (2 collected specimens are 9mm).
Second, aristae are hairy.
Third, legs are reddish (with tarsi rather dark).
I'll upload more images soon.

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 09-07-2006 12:06
#13

Here's a lateral view.

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 15-07-2006 21:26
#14

A week has passed, and I decided to check this tree. And voila, these nice flies were still swarming there. I also spotted more flies, roughlu the same location eithin the range of 1km, strictly on P. tremula, and just single flies. Those were much calmer, and I easily picked one with my hand.

Posted by ChrisR on 16-07-2006 10:19
#15

Lovely photos, as usual. I saw something similar to Prosena here in England 2 days ago but I didn't get my net on it fast enough - here they much be much faster! Wink

Posted by Kahis on 16-07-2006 17:36
#16

...or englishmen are much slower. Naah, can't be.

I have never seen this fly in my life. Too fast for me to see - maybe faster than local lightspeed?Shock

Posted by ChrisR on 16-07-2006 17:41
#17

Grin Actually, I don't think I have seen one flying (except maybe that one yesterday - and now we'll never know) ... all the ones in my collection were nice and slow ... and pickled in alcohol from my Malaise trap! Wink

Posted by Tony Irwin on 16-07-2006 21:05
#18

I remember seeing these and catching them off tree trunks (with a little bit of difficulty) - but that was over thirty years ago!!! Sad
Maybe Irish Prosena are a bit slower? Grin

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 17-07-2006 20:38
#19

Today just in a couple of minutes I collected four more flies on the same aspen using only plastic film boxes. My opinion still is that these flies are not slow but lacking some wit unlike Muscidae which hardly would let one catch them with one's (almost) bare hands.
They were absent at 11a.m. but were alreadt there at 15.30 when I returned to the tree to check again.
I also saw single sitting flies on old poplars, all covered with yellow lichens (Xanthoria parietina I believe), along the railroad.

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 27-08-2006 11:01
#20

Yesterday I've found out that P. siberita occurs as late as late August and also visits flowers (Solidago canadensis, widely introduced here and rich source of flies, especially Syrphidae, Tachinidae, and Conopidae - highly recommended Smile).