Thread subject: Diptera.info :: A tabanid
Posted by
lweit on 12-07-2006 17:17
#1
Hello
What's the ID of this tabanid with his green eyes
A+
Louis
Posted by
lweit on 12-07-2006 17:18
#2
Another photo of this horsefly
Taken in NE of France, near Metz
A+
Louis
#3
I've never seen such fly, but I red that genus Atylotus has looks like this.
Nikita
#4
I agree with Nikita. It is Atylotus, but I'm not familiar with all the species, so can't say which one.
Posted by
paqui on 14-07-2006 11:58
#5
among agrestis, flavoguttatus, fulvus, latistriata, loewianus, mallorcanus, quadrifarius, rusticus and venturi my keys say Atylotus quadrifarius,
-the pattern of the abdomen wiht 4 longitudinal stripes
-eye margin almost parallel
-no bands in the eyes
-antennae pale but reddish at the apex
Posted by
lweit on 14-07-2006 14:11
#6
Hello Paqui
It's a species who leave only in warm country, South of France, Spain, ... The photo was taken in NE of France near the border of Luxembourg and Germany ?? Actualy, it maid 30? in NE of France ??
Louis
Posted by
paqui on 17-07-2006 20:19
#7
no idea, i?m sorry, try to check your Atylotus records there, i?ve told the other species from here because of this, quadrifarius is the only one with that characters among those species, i hope it helps

Posted by
lweit on 17-07-2006 20:59
#8
Thank you Paqui
Louis
#9
Hi Louis
I've been having another look at your pictures, and wonder whether it could be a variety of flavoguttatus? In any case, it would be worth trying to catch a specimen to find out exactly what it is. Good luck!

Posted by
paqui on 19-07-2006 17:38
#10
1-eyes pubescent, even short.....2
- bare, or short, only visible with big "zoom", ..3
2- front callus big and united, brilliant colour... A. venturii
- callus small, separated or without them, black abdomen..A. latistriatus
3- vertex: 1 row of short white hairs...4
- vertex: 1 row of long yellow hairs, femora grey, black abdomen with 2 longituninal stripes..
A. flavoguttatus
4- yelowish species...5
- greyish species...6
5- well developed callosit..(callus)..A. loewianus
- callus small... A.fulvus
6- femora yellow, abdomen with black stripes..7
- femora grey, abdomen grey-green, reddish flagell.. A. rusticus
7- black abdomen with 2 yellow stripes... A. agrestis
- abdomen yellowish with 4 dark stripes... A quadrifarius
i?m not the one to tell how much diffrerent it could be a variety, but by the pictures of my book, flavoguttatus clearly has a almost black abdomen with just 2 narrow paler stripes
i haven?t written all the details of the keys, just a few, but if anyone?s intersted i can complete the text
Posted by
paqui on 19-07-2006 17:43
#11
i don?t know in which part of spain quadrifarius has been recorded, but in case of colder weather it?s perfectly possible in the north (Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria, Euskadi...) the "green" Spain, with atlantic weather ????
#12
Paqui -
I think what bothers me about quadrifarius was the colour of the femora in this specimen (too dark?) and the size of the frontal callus (too small). But I agree the abdomen colour is wrong for flavoguttatus, too. I guess we need more specimens to understand better the extent of variation in these species.
Best wishes
Posted by
paqui on 21-07-2006 16:49
#13

Posted by
lweit on 21-07-2006 21:16
#14
Hello
This day, I've taken another fly of this genus in the same place, the eyes is a little different ??
Louis
Posted by
lweit on 21-07-2006 21:17
#15
Perheaps the male of the first photos ??
#16
I'd say that you are correct - it is the male. But I'll leave it to Paqui to say what the species might be.
Maybe I'll join in later!

Posted by
lweit on 22-07-2006 10:21
#17
I have catch the male of this fly
Louis
Posted by
paqui on 25-07-2006 20:41
#18
i?ll look males?keys
#19
I've just been comparing the pictures with some old specimens of
Atylotus latistriatus, and I feel sure that they are pale examples of this species. In Britain, latistriatus is a saltmarsh species, but elsewhere it occurs in different habitats.
Is anyone famiiar with latistriatus in the field?
(I hope to get bitten by some next week!)

Posted by
lweit on 26-07-2006 18:01
#20
Hello Tony
I've have photographed another male specimen of this species in an other place near my house
Louis