Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Neomochtherus cf melanopus; Reinoud
#1
A rather big fly on Pinus pinaster.
Is it possible to ID beyond family level?
#3
Thanks Paqui. I did not know that there was a special forum for this group.
Saludos
#4
Reminds me of Machimus, maybe M. atripes....

#5
Leptogaster wrote:
Reminds me of Machimus, maybe M. atripes....

Missed your post, Lepto.
Thanks for your ID, although there is no count of the species you mention in Spain.
Bedankt, Lepto.

#6
Also have a look at Neomochtherus melanopus. It is very difficult to determine species from a single picture. Keys are hardly applicable this way. Best bet is a local expert or real one
#7
Leptogaster wrote:
Also have a look at Neomochtherus melanopus. It is very difficult to determine species from a single picture. Keys are hardly applicable this way. Best bet is a local expert or real one

Thanks for taking your time, Reinoud.
I will consider this species too, but I know the extreme difficulties using photos as only means in ID.
Is there a cientific name for "Machinus group"?
Thanks anyway,
André
#8
Andre Burgers wrote:
[quote]Leptogaster wrote:
Is there a cientific name for "Machinus group"?
Thanks anyway,
André
I think the group consists of: Machimus + Tolmerus and Neoepitriptus. Maybe there are more genusses (what happened to Epitriptus for instance) let an expert react too. These genusses are very similar in appearance and form a group because of it. Probably it will not end here. Research is going on.
#9
Leptogaster wrote:
Andre Burgers wrote:
[quote]Leptogaster wrote:
Is there a cientific name for "Machinus group"?
Thanks anyway,
André
I think the group consists of: Machimus + Tolmerus and Neoepitriptus. Maybe there are more genusses (what happened to Epitriptus for instance) let an expert react too. These genusses are very similar in appearance and form a group because of it. Probably it will not end here. Research is going on.
Bedankt Reinoud.
So things are much too complicated for me. Thanks for your list of genera

to be taken into acount.
André
#10
André, to make things worse

,please note that i am now more convinced that it is a Neomochtherus cf melanopus. Neomochtherus is not part of the Machimus group!
#11
Leptogaster wrote:
André, to things worse

,please note that i am now more convinced that it is a Neomochtherus cf melanopus. Neomochtherus is not part of the Machimus group!
Reinoud,
Thanks again. I will store this one as Neomochtherus cf melanopus until further notice.
Groeten,
andré