Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Phlogophora meticulosa + tachinidae

Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 07-03-2007 00:30
#1

hello Flyforum,

On 20-02 I found the caterpillar of Phlogophora meticulosa in the center of Amsterdam.
I kept it in a little box, where it went into some ground.

Today 7-03 I got surprised to see some(3) flies in the box. I did not order them! Wink
It are Tachinidae sp. and perhabs Lydella sp.?

I took some pictures of a female:

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Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 07-03-2007 00:31
#2

picture 2

Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 07-03-2007 00:32

Posted by ChrisR on 07-03-2007 10:43
#3

Certainly looks like a tachinid - but if those eyes are hairy then it can't be Lydella. Would be nice to see the face from the side and the front too Grin My guess is Phryxe nemea, which is a known parasitoid of Phlogophora meticulosa.

See http://tachinidae...brcno=6104

Chris R.

Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 07-03-2007 11:17
#4

hi Chris,

I will take some new pictures from the face soon.
What I have seen, there where blond haires on the eyes.
On the first picture you can see some of them..

thank you for your reaction Smile

Posted by Zeegers on 07-03-2007 22:09
#5

I agree, Chris
This could/should be a male Phryxe nemea


Theo

Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 08-03-2007 00:15
#6

Thanks again Chris and Theo.

I was wondering why this is a male?, how do you see?

On pictures underneath you see the blond hair on the eyes.

Robert,

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Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 08-03-2007 00:16
#7

detail eyes

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Posted by ChrisR on 08-03-2007 00:56
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Yes, I'd be even more inclined to call it Phryxe nemea Smile I think Theo would be sexing it using the presence of proclinate parafrontal bristles, but I can never remember this rule Grin

Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 08-03-2007 12:24
#9

''the presence of proclinate parafrontal bristles''

I have to study this, let's see how many males and females I have..

My first Tachinidae sp. of this year! Smile

Posted by Zeegers on 08-03-2007 18:30
#10

Rule of thumb: males have vertex smaller, thus no proclinate orbitals (simply no space).
females have vertex broader, thus 2 pair of proclinate orbitals.

All kind of exceptions do exist. Like Phryxe males:
vertex broad, yet still no proclinate orbitals in males.

Robert, take a female and look below the vertex between the eyes, the proclinate (=voorwaarts gerichte) orbitals can't be missed.


Theo

Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 10-03-2007 12:44
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I have checked the proclinate orbitals.
It are two females and one male.

female;

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Posted by Robert Heemskerk on 10-03-2007 12:47
#12

male

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