Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Sarapogon or Saropogon from Crete
#1
Dear friends,
I collected last year on may 9th near Vai on Crete, much more to the east was impossible, 2 males Sarapogon or Saropogon ( I see that both names are used in pretty modern papers, so I would like to know which one in the correct one). I cannot determine which species with Theodor 1980 nor with Lindner.
Just look at the beard: it has both white and black hairs or bristles. Is there someone in the group, who can say what species it is?
#3
I understand that the correct name is actually Saropogon
#4
We need more pictures from more angles with more light

The beard is basicly white, the dark hair you from above are the hairs on the palpi. S. jugulum remains a candidate.
#5
ah, now we come somewhere. I make this evening another photo of the beard. The beard contains several black hairs; they are certainly not from the palpi. But you will see later, Reinoud.
#6
I hope the beard is now visible. Black and white hairs, I think (!) too many black hairs to say that the beard is basically white.
#8
Could you also make pictures of Thorax, back of the head and legs?

There are many species similar.
#9
thorax lateral or dorsal??
#10
I made some more photos. I hope useful!
#14
I wish i could tell you more. But Engel, E.O. 1930 brings me Saropogon cf eucerus. Description fits but not perfectly.
#15
I checked also before in Theodor and Lindner, but indeed without any real result. As you see both specimens have a very similar beard with practically the same number of black and white hairs.
#16
BTW: You are right about the beard. Engel: die groben
Borsten des beim ♂
meist schwarzen, beim ♀ stets hellgelben Knebelbartes sind in einer
Reihe über dem Mundrand angeordnet. and "Abdomen beim ♂ bläulich schwarz mit sehr schmalen elfenbeinweißen Hinterrändern am 2. und 3. Tergit
#17
I noticed via Fauna Europaea that S. eucerus is recorded from mainland Greece, but not from Crete before. Well, if we assume the 2 specimens are actually S. eucerus, then it is hardly a surprise that it was collected on the island.