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Posted by Isidro on 14-08-2007 21:53

Two small Hymenoptera, without wings, parasiting a female Mantis religiosa in Juslibol, Aragon, Spain, last weekend. Habitat: dried grassland with dry grasses, Daucus carota and Eryngium campestre are the only live plants. The wasp sizes 2-2'5 mm and the mantid have nechrosated zones. Could be Mantivora manticida????? (I thinks that it's a braconid)

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Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 14-08-2007 22:04

it cannot be a Braconidae because the antennas are too short to be Ichneumonoidea superfamily (for Braconidae and Ichneumonidae families).
besides, there is no the usual very thin constriction between thorax and abdomen that we usually see in Ichneumonoidea wasps.

Posted by pierred on 15-08-2007 07:54

Hello,

In the Chalcicidae, the genus Podagrion is known to be a parasit of eggs in ootheques.

It seems me I read something about them living on the Mantis and nearing the ootheque when the Mantis lays it.

Posted by Isidro on 15-08-2007 08:10

Then, is most probably that could be Chalcidoidea, no?

Somebody knows adult mantid parasites?

Thanks to both...

Posted by cthirion on 20-08-2007 19:04

Not Chalcididae!

it is not a question of Podagrion, which does not have this aspect at all. I think that it is not a question of a chalcidien, but of a hym?nopt?re Platygastroidea Scelionidae. I do not know beacoup this group but Mantibaria seelfederiana (De Stefani, 1891) could be the species photographed well.
It has as a synonym Mantibaria manticida Kieffer, or Rielia manticida. The female is held close to the articulation of the wings of Mante. It reaches the mante with the flight, then the wings are fractured little after the base. It lays while the mante built its ooth?que.
Very cordially !
Jean-Luc VAGO-France
PS: the insect is illustrated in the atlas Boub?e de Berland!

Posted by Isidro on 20-08-2007 20:01

AAHHHHH!!
I dont found any result in Google for "Mantivora manticida"... It was wrong writed!!! MANTIBARIA MANTICIDA.... now M. seelfederiana... MANY THANKS!!!!!!

Although the identification is not all sure, I thinks that is the most probably.

regards!!!

Posted by criatura on 20-12-2009 23:35

Isidro.:

seelfederiana is Misspelled!

Mantibaria seefelderiana (De Stefani, 1891) = Mantibaria manticida (Kieffer, 1910)

** mandibaria (= Rielia)

Best Regards
JR Correas

Posted by pwalter on 20-12-2009 23:59

Hi, could You post at least one of the pics instead of linking them? It does not seem to work on my computer

But I'm very excited to see the photo! Regards, Walter

Edited by pwalter on 20-12-2009 23:59