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Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Neomochtherus firmus?

Posted by Dukegraffio on 13-06-2017 12:18

Hello, according to you, it might be a Neomochtherus firmus, thanks for any answers.

Posted by Dukegraffio on 13-06-2017 12:25

Another image....

Posted by Dukegraffio on 13-06-2017 12:30

The photos were taken in Campania, southern Italy

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 13-06-2017 13:00

I don't think this is a Neomochtherus species but rather a Tolmerus or Machimus species.....a picture of a male would be welcome.....

Posted by Dukegraffio on 13-06-2017 15:16

Many thanks !!

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 13-06-2017 17:22

Go look for a male :-) it might be M. minusculus....

Posted by Dukegraffio on 14-06-2017 15:56

Ok I will try, but it will not be very easy.

Posted by Dukegraffio on 14-06-2017 16:11

Wow, there are males.

Posted by Dukegraffio on 14-06-2017 16:14

Another photo

Posted by Dukegraffio on 16-06-2017 06:13

#10

Another male.

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 19-06-2017 21:38

#11

Wow, you found the male....:-) But now i know it is not M. minusculus...:-(..... still have too look further.....

Posted by Armen Seropian on 20-06-2017 06:12

#12

Hi, I think yours and mine one could be the same species

Edited by Armen Seropian on 20-06-2017 06:15

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 20-06-2017 06:54

#13

Armen, I am sure they are not the same species. Their general appearance is very different. And more importantly, genitalia are different as are the thoracic bristles...

Posted by Dukegraffio on 20-06-2017 09:30

#14

Ok friends, can anybody make a hypothesis of ID, at least the genre?

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 20-06-2017 13:51

#15

Reinoud already told you

: Tolmerus or Machimus. It is one of those for sure. But the chaotic taxonomic situation of this group of genera makes the ID from pictures, even just to genus level, almost impossible. Sometimes it is very tricky even with the specimen in hand.

I applaud Reinoud as he usually ID from pictures specimens of these very tricky Asilinae with a 'cf.' Very prudent and very wise

Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 20-06-2017 13:56

Posted by Armen Seropian on 20-06-2017 19:39

#16

Ok Piluca, I believe you are right. Wish anyone could ID my flies

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 20-06-2017 20:26

#17

Thank you Piluca! :-) @ Armen, your species belongs indeed to the same group and M. rusticus could well be right. If your picture were taken in NW Europe i would have been sure...