Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Mycetophilidae, Epicypta ? => Epicypta aterrima

Posted by evdb on 24-11-2019 15:32
#1
Hello,

I post for a friend from S-E of France.
Pictured between nov. 12th and 22th 2019.
It looks like Epicypta and wing venation remembers E. limnophila
Does it match ?
Specimen available if wanted.
Thanks for help.

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos243/big/NB43102-05M1.b210-100r488.4%20-%20..%20..%20..idae%20-%20..pteres%20-%20Insectes%20-%20cocons%20D0h%20A%2080%20x%2046%20mm%20B%2072%20x%20405%20mm%20sous%20planchette%20-%20ER.952%20jardin%20FaF%20pres%20kaki.jpg
Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 12/11/2019
Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 6,7 x 4,0 mm & 5,9 x 3,55 mm
Réf. : 243309

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos243/big/NB43276-82M1.b300-135r48.3%20-%20Epicypta%20sp.%20Mycetophilidae%20-%20cocons%20D98j%20ouverts%20A%2067x40%20mm%20B%2059x355%20mm%20sous%20planch.%20-%20ER.952.jpg
Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019
Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 6,7 x 4,0 mm (cocon A) & 5,9 x 3,55 mm, cocon b
Réf. : 243831

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos243/big/NB43283-85-308M1.b250-150r49.9%20-%20Epicypta%20sp.%20Mycetophilidae%20-%20imago%20A%20..%20I1h%20Lc%2039%20mm%20La%20305%20mm%20-%20ER.952.jpg
Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019
Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,9 mm (Lc) & 3,05 mm (La)
Réf. : 243832

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos243/big/NB43310-11M1.b260-150r487.4%20-%20Epicypta%20sp.%20Mycetophilidae%20-%20imago%20A%20..%20I13h%20%20Lc%2039%20mm%20La%20305%20mm%20mort%20-%20ER.952-A.jpg
Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019
Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,9 mm (Lc) & 3,05 mm (La)
Réf. : 243833

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos243/big/NB43287-96-99M1.b200-150r48.3%20-%20Epicypta%20sp.%20Mycetophilidae%20-%20imago%20B%20..%20I1h%20Lc%2038%20mm%20La%20315%20mm%20-%20ER.952-B.jpg
Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019
Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,8 mm (Lc) & 3,15 mm (La)
Réf. : 243834

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos244/big/NB43362R3.b200-120r485.4%20-%20Epicypta%20limnophila%20Mycetophilidae%20-%20Dipteres%20-%20Insectes%20-%20imago%20B%20F%20I42j%20D140j%20%20Lc%2038%20mm%20La%20315%20mm%20v.%20lat.G%20AO%20mort%20-%20ER.952-B%20jardin.jpg
Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 26/11/2019
Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,8 mm (Lc) & 3,15 mm (La)
Réf. : 244066
Edited by evdb on 19-12-2019 18:25

Posted by evdb on 28-11-2019 16:17
#2
Nobody ?

Posted by Paul Beuk on 29-11-2019 08:51
#3
Yes, Epicypta. Microscopic examination necessary, often male genitalia, too, for species ID.

Posted by evdb on 29-11-2019 09:02
#4
Thanks Paul, I ask to Pierre Gros to send you the specimen.

Edit. It looks ♀, do you confirm ? and tell me if it will be useful to send it to you ?
Edited by evdb on 29-11-2019 10:10

Posted by Paul Beuk on 29-11-2019 11:19
#5
Yes, it is a female. One of the couplets in the key allows for ID-ing both males and females. The character that determines whether this species falls in this couplet or the opther (where genitalia are required for species ID) is the number of small setae present on one of the wing veins. If I have the specimen, I can either ID the species or at least narrow it down to a few.

Posted by evdb on 29-11-2019 11:27
#6
OK Paul, I relay to P. Gros.

Posted by evdb on 09-12-2019 15:50
#7
Paul, did you receive the specimen sent on nov. 30 th. ?

Posted by Paul Beuk on 09-12-2019 15:51
#8
Yes, it will be under my microscope tomorrow. Smile

Posted by evdb on 09-12-2019 15:53
#9
Fine !

Posted by evdb on 17-12-2019 17:06
#10
Still under the microscope Smile

Posted by Paul Beuk on 17-12-2019 19:57
#11
Sorry, I identified them but was not at the computer at the time and forgot to reply. Sceptonia aterrima it is. Two specimens, one of them a male, so that made ID-ing them not too complicated after all.

Posted by evdb on 17-12-2019 21:54
#12
No problem Paul but you agreed with Epicypta and FE does not know Sceptonia aterrima.

I suppose you meen Epicypta aterrima (Zetterstedt, 1852) ?
Edited by evdb on 17-12-2019 22:07

Posted by Paul Beuk on 18-12-2019 08:32
#13
Sorry, slip of the mind. Epicypta aterrima it is.

Posted by evdb on 18-12-2019 08:35
#14
Many thanks Paul, from both of us

Posted by evdb on 18-12-2019 09:07
#15
A last question : where is the male on pictures ?

Posted by Paul Beuk on 18-12-2019 09:53
#16
Well, you judge for yourself. Not easy on the pictures, but attached a photo of the two sp[ecimens. Male on the left, female on the right.

Posted by evdb on 18-12-2019 10:02
#17
Thank you very much Paul ; nice picture !