Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Calliphoridae? -> Muscidae, Dasyphora pratorum/penicillata

Posted by treebeard on 29-04-2020 09:54
#1

Slovakia, Carpathians, Banska Bystrica, 700 m.a.s.l., 28 April 2020, a medium-sized fly

Thank you in advance

Matej

Edited by treebeard on 30-04-2020 11:32

Posted by treebeard on 29-04-2020 09:55
#2

2

Posted by John Carr on 29-04-2020 11:54
#3

Muscidae

Posted by johnes81 on 29-04-2020 11:59
#4

Hello,

Bellardia have 2+3 ac brsitles.

Best wishes,
John

Posted by Sundew on 29-04-2020 13:08
#5

Number and position of thorax bristles as well as its short stripes close to the head match Eudasyphora (Muscidae) that can be greenish as well as bluish. The eyes are densely hairy, so E. cyanicolor is no good match. The two other species can be discriminated by the bristles on the mid tibae:
E. cyanella: no accessory setae above strong anterodorsal seta on mid tibia
E. zimini: 1-2 accessory setae above strong anterodorsal seta on mid tibia
That is difficult to see in your photos, so "Eudasyphora spec."!
Regards, Sundew

Posted by Sundew on 29-04-2020 13:10
#6

PS. I think Bellardia has also bare eyes.

Posted by treebeard on 29-04-2020 18:31
#7

Thank you all for help

Posted by Zeegers on 29-04-2020 19:00
#8

Good point. “ All” Calliphorini have bare eyes. [Yes, I know, not true in Australia]. Theo

Posted by johnes81 on 29-04-2020 22:40
#9

Hello Drosera,

E. cyanella: no accessory setae above strong anterodorsal seta on mid tibia
E. zimini: 1-2 accessory setae above strong anterodorsal seta on mid tibia
this is not your work, sundew. I doubt that you would know the difference between them without keys from experts.

many Tachinidae have hairy eyes too, so why you looking at the unobvious? the thorax is your simple and quick route away from the proposed family of Calliphoridae.
'She who can does; she who cannot, teaches.' do you agree botanist Dr. Brückner? I believe that you once taught botany at a university. interesting.

Hello Theo,

Are you sure that you can recognize a Bellardia, Theo? I really wouldn't trust your opinion about Muscidae at any level.
https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=81137

I didn't see botanist 'sundew' recognizing Pollenia in that post. Not enough books for her to plagiarize, i guess. She's too busy reading British keys from S. Falk.
Sadly, vagabunda is one of the easiest Pollenia to recognize.

Best wishes,
John

Posted by treebeard on 30-04-2020 06:08
#10

Hello John (and possibly the others)

I am still confused. I checked pictures of Eudasyphora species and I think, they look much more "metallic" than the one on my pictures. I have to admit that my fly looked even less metallic in the field and bluish color became apparent after picture processing.

Meanwhile, I photographed this one at the same place (Slovakia, Carpathians, Banska Bystrica, forest clearing, 700 m.a.s.l., 28 April 2020) this fly and I am wondering if this is the same species.

Edited by treebeard on 30-04-2020 06:09

Posted by treebeard on 30-04-2020 06:13
#11

My untrained eye cannot see any difference except color. Maybe I should go back to Syrphidae Smile

Posted by johnes81 on 30-04-2020 10:01
#12

Hi Treebeard,

I didn't post a possible species because i don't see Eudasyphora and i am too busy programming a search engine for my website.
Also, several members of this site disrespect me and my opinion consistently, so i stopped offering my opinion.

sundew fails to notice the tessellations on the abdomen, which are not characteristic of Eudasyphora. The eyes are densely haired which also leads away from Eudasyphora.

I believe that you have a female Dasyphora pratorum but you should wait for an opinion from Nikita Vikhrev. Nikita is a Muscidae specialist. I recommend that you change the title and wait for a reply from Nikita.

Best wishes,
John

Posted by treebeard on 30-04-2020 10:33
#13

Thank you very much. Is your website already available?

Posted by johnes81 on 30-04-2020 10:38
#14

Hi treebeard,

not yet. I just rewrote my file system code to make my site completely virtual (no actual folders/files other than images and text data files). I tried to make an operating system style desktop with a file explorer/manager. I am successful despite not knowing that code. I've also added language support and a bookmarking system. I just need to finish my search engine and add some final security measures. I hope to be finished by end of May.

Best wishes,
John

Posted by treebeard on 30-04-2020 10:42
#15

Best wishes as well

Matej

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 30-04-2020 10:43
#16

John, take it easy! Be less nervous! Especially so, because I think you are right, I
also think it is Dasyphora, D. not albofasciata.

Posted by treebeard on 30-04-2020 11:31
#17

Thank you, Nikita, spasibo!

Posted by Sundew on 30-04-2020 11:38
#18

Dear Matej.
without being responsive to John's offending allegations, I just want you to know that I got the information on Eudasyphora from the valuable forum archive - one cannot read enough in the old threads! In this case, here: https://diptera.i...d_id=42488.
Regards, Sundew

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 30-04-2020 14:17
#19

Dear Drosera,
Hennig (1963) regarded all species mentioned above as Dasyphora. Afterwards the genus was divided into two:
Dasyphora (with less distinct metallic shine; densely dusted body and with always hairy eyes) and Eudasyphora (with strong metallic shine, few whitish dusting and eyes hairy or bare). This circumstance often leads to misunderstanding in which genus one should identify a specimen of (Eu)Dasyphora.

Posted by John Carr on 30-04-2020 14:48
#20

Nihei and de Carvalho (2007) proposed re-synonymizing Eudasyphora with Dasyphora based on a phylogenetic analysis.