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 Calliphora or Bellardia?
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 19-10-2020 23:07
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Is with these phots an ID possible? Body length 6,5mm. Vienna, mid October.    
Edited by Carnifex on 02-11-2020 08:08 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 20-10-2020 07:01
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I’d say a male Calliphora loewi, nice. We need to see the wing base slightly from above, lateral or anterolateral. To establish the colour of basicosta. Theo |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 20-10-2020 09:01
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Thanks, Theo. I had a look at the basicosta, it is black. However, I understand that this species is more northerly distributed, so I assume it prefers colder (and moist?) environments. So I wonder if this species is to be expected in the city area of Vienna, where it is rather hot and dry... Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 20-10-2020 11:34
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It is probably overlooked. In the Netherlands, records (just a few) are from September - October. When it is cold..... Theo |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 20-10-2020 11:54
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I will gladly accept the ID :-) Is C. vomitoria var. loewi a synonym? Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 20-10-2020 16:09
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No doubt synonym, though I have never seen this combination, pretty strange. Probably very old (?). Theo |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 22-10-2020 21:28
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Now found out, it comes from here: http://ubio.org/b...ID=6616088 --> Calliphora vomitoria var. loewi Enderlein 1903 Edited by Carnifex on 22-10-2020 21:28 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 23-10-2020 07:30
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Well, I think this shows dumping all kind of names in a database is useless, unless one can verify its source. Probably / Possibly some old book was scanned and plundered for names. In any case, This opinion ( of loewi not being a valid species) is rejected by all modern authors. Check Rognes “ Calliohoridae Scandinavica” |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 23-10-2020 20:29
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Yeah, this name was apparently imported from ubio.org into the database for inaturalist.org where the name now represents the species (or ssp. in this case). Will change this error. Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 02-11-2020 08:07
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Waldgeist pointed out that this one looks more like a Bellardia, so here are some additional images from the head and calypters  
Edited by Carnifex on 02-11-2020 08:07 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 02-11-2020 09:23
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Now you mention it, the bluish colour seems to be an artifact of the light. Theo |
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but don't see the image in the post.
